So I bought these sand and snow stakes for my leisure port, not knowing if I would even need them for my first outing with it. I'm quite thankful that I did as even in the somewhat firm desert sand of Flaming Gorge the standard stakes pulled out with the first gust of wind. The sand and snow stakes held without budging against even the strongest wind during the trip. Be prepared though... they were quite difficult to remove from the ground and I even snapped my Springbar hammer trying to get them out (Springbar was great at replacing the hammer too!). Worth the investment for sure.